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not entire systems. I just have one of Ally. and she technically has one of me too in her other system but since i'm a host it's just used to keep sync with her.
6:25 AM
so our intentions are broadcasted to the model and the model then does what the intentions of the individuals are.
Franz Bardon said not to make ones of other people because you can change them thereby (or something like that), but people say he made mistakes in his book. If you can cause a magical effect at a distance with a duel system which is testable then that would be dank methinks.
ps I think I misremembered or something(edited)
Ally's really the one doing most of the work tho. like I said I only use my model to keep synchronization.
6:28 AM
Franz Bardon said not to make ones of other people because you can change them thereby
1. who's Franz Bardon
2. make what? models?
3. actually yes we have changed both our systems but we've been incredibly healthy for each other's mental and emotional states so it's only been positive changes
we relay the information to each other through chat, and the brain receives it and automatically uses impositions that we practiced and became skilled at to enter a self induced hypnotic state that allows us to focus on getting the models to be as accurate as possible to our intentions. with practice we've been able to get faster and more accurate reactions, and we've been able to preemptively predict each others movements using the information stored in the models so it's become more and more automatic.
we relay the information to each other through chat, and the brain receives it and automatically uses impositions that we practiced and became skilled at to enter a self induced hypnotic state that allows us to focus on getting the models to be as accurate as possible to our intentions. with practice we've been able to get faster and more accurate reactions, and we've been able to preemptively predict each others movements using the information stored in the models so it's become more and more automatic.
I checked and Franz Bardon did not say not to create a mental construct (which he called an elemental) with the image of another person. He said someone can create a "phantasm" in the image of someone else but not that it did anything to the original. It was his "elementaries" he said not to make in someone's image. (His English translation)
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Exactly, since we still need to relay information using discord
We’ve been running experiments while putting ourself into the hypnotic state, such as what happens when switching during that state and to see how much we can recall what happened during the trance without rereading what we sent each other and it was genuinely interesting
Part of me was hoping that you wouldn’t make the connection till later when we were both present but another part of me is finally relived that it’s now publicly available knowledge.
You’re fine. I talked with Ally about telling people and we agreed that it was okay to talk about it. Also I gave you the information needed to solve the puzzle so it’s not like I was surprised you figured it out.
6:58 AM
I could’ve kept it hidden, but I didn’t really want to
6:59 AM
I enjoy the truth too much to keep it hidden
7:01 AM
And the truth is that I like her, and I’m proud to have her as apart of my system.
I wasn’t given a dual system ship into the other system, Ally was given a dual system ship into mine.
3:52 AM
So while she does have a model of my in her system to keep synchronization, I wasn’t ‘adopted’ into her original system the same way she was adopted into mine
3:54 AM
As a side note I’m the host of my system so if I became a dual system headmate that would mean that either the system I’m brought into would either have two hosts or I would no longer be a host
Nasrudin was on his hands and knees under the streetlamp outside his house searching for something. His neighbour sees him and asks, "What are you doing?"
"I'm looking for the key to my house."
"Where did you last have it?"
"Inside my house somewhere."
"So why are you looking out here?"
"Because there's more light."
(Key to my house = happiness for the human being
Inside my house somewhere = when there is no psychological resistance to circumstance
Out here = pleasant circumstance
More light = pleasant circumstance)(edited)
I like that parable. Another interpretation is if you're thinking about people who do not find the truth on some matters because they search where it is easy rather than where the truth is.
My question is: can i add new features to my tulpa? he is my friend now, not just a guardian.
@🇨🇦🇷🇱🇴🇸🇹🇪🇨🇭 In terms of what your tulpa can do in the mind? Whatever you're already capable of doing. If you include the magical and metaphysical, possibly more
A tulpa is capable of changing the mindscape, controlling the body, studying, doing art, fending off intrusive thoughts, etc. If you open the door to metaphysical experiences, sone have claimed system hopping, talking to people outside of your head, being seen by other people, etc.
mmm wait... are you saying my tulpa has my abilities already?
A few weeks in might be a little too early. Have you considered the possibility if your tulpa gained control, they may want to change your features?(edited)
Generally tulpas don't appreciate personality forcing after week two and sometimes earlier than that. I think it's important to understand while personalities can be more fluid than they look, tampering them without consent is a violation of trust
@Calyra 👻 Felt like responding to this, hope I'm not being too annoying (but then again you did respond to my framework spam even after I tried to get the channel somewhat back on topic lol, so you do still seem somewhat interested in discussing it)
It's using a hammer to sculpt when a chisel would have let you be make more precise and specific changes.
For one thing, a lot of "spiritual teachings" are intended to be hammers. The underlying structures that they intend to disrupt are so deeply ingrained (and self-perpetuating) that chipping away at them with chisels doesn't do the job (or at least not very efficiently). Hence, teachings tell you to look for "truth", for the "absolute", to recognize that you are "God", that the spacetime world is "illusion", and so forth. You can even see it in the name - "spiritual" teachings, implying that it's about something that transcends ordinary daily life.
So when it comes to spiritual teachings, Roger is already pretty chisel-y compared to most teachers out there. He constantly points out that in his experience, while the "hammer teachings" are often necessary to kickstart the process, the "quest for absolute truth" turns out to be a (necessary) marketing ploy, and that what's really available as "the jewel in the crown", the best life can offer, is to find yourself content in daily life even when circumstance is out of line with your preferences.
Even as far as "free will" goes, the post of mine you quoted showcases that Roger isn't trying to prove a philosophical point. Even when the conceptual belief in being an autonomous agent dissolves, the feeling of free will persists.
(cont'd)
The whole free will thing is an irrelevant kludge to everything else.
It's as relevant as it gets! Now, your mileage may vary when it comes to resonating with the given explanation, but IF human unhappiness really DOES just consist of thoughts in the form of guilt, blame, pride, worry and expectation, then it makes sense to look at what they all have in common. And what they all have in common is a belief that A) human beings have complete control over their behaviour, and that B) life is unacceptable when it doesn't align with my preferences.
9:04 AM
Now, I feel like even if the concept that "our behaviour is determined exclusively by our design, lifetime conditioning, and present moment circumstance" WAS just a hammer intended to smash guilt, blame, pride, worry and expectation into bits, it would be legitimate to use as a teaching concept even if it's not "absolutely true" as long as it manages to do that job.(edited)
9:09 AM
But as I said in that conversation earlier, by now I feel like the onus is really on someone else if they want to explain to me in what sense all human behaviour is not the inevitable outcome of the big bang + laws of physics.
9:15 AM
Just to clarify once more - this explanation is NOT designed to improve your life circumstance. When it comes to attaining more pleasure and averting more pain, this explanation is completely useless. But if someone reading finds themselves resonating with the notion that happiness may be completely unrelated to life circumstance, nothing could be more relevant than to question the basis on which unhappiness arises, and according to this explanation, that basis happens to be a sense of self that is deeply rooted in the belief that people are in complete control of their behaviour and the resulting outcomes.(edited)
Also wanted to quickly reply to this post by @Reguile
what I think might be useful here is the acknowledgment that even if you are a deterministic machine that is bound to do the things it does, you are that machine
You are two things: B) a deterministic machine, and A) the screen on which a multisensory experience of being a deterministic machine with a feeling of free will unfolds.(edited)
9:26 AM
That is all I have for tonight, good evening ladies and gents!
@Unfastened Belts except that if you do have complete control over your behavior, that would also mean having the ability to stop feeling the guilt, blame, pride, worry, and expectation
7:55 PM
Now, I feel like even if the concept that "our behaviour is determined exclusively by our design, lifetime conditioning, and present moment circumstance" WAS just a hammer intended to smash guilt, blame, pride, worry and expectation into bits, it would be legitimate to use as a teaching concept even if it's not "absolutely true" as long as it manages to do that job.
@Unfastened Belts - jump
and that's how I feel about free will
except that if you do have complete control over your behavior, that would also mean having the ability to stop feeling the guilt, blame, pride, worry, and expectation
Yes, which is why so many "spiritual seekers" including myself experience secondary suffering haha. "I should be doing this process better"
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